Bouville...

[Tony The Tiger]

"I argue that if we have a material expression of certain behaviour, this expression is internalized in an abstract level, becoming a theoretical category based on material conditions, and I also argue that once this behavior is standarized as a theoretical category there is a need to fight it in abstract and material grounds, therefore the petition is valid in my humble opinion my dear friend."

OK I've had to go through semantics courses looking at very complicated Acts of Parliament and I still don't have a clue what that says :wink:

Any chance of a lay-man's version please?

 

[Bouville]

Well... first at all I am sorry if what I wrote is too complicated, sometimes the dialectics posses my brain in a very obssesive way.

What i wrote is pure dialectics, the first premise is that material conditions of existence define ideas, there is a dialectic relationship between action and ideas, I tend to observe this as a flow chart in which there is complex flow of information between actions and ideas.

What I basically said is that racism behavior is a material expression that happens among individuals that share a common conciousness, this conciousness is not material, is abstract and standarized and therefore lives as a theoretical category. I say that having racism in the material and abstract level is necessary to fight it in both fronts. As my dear friend zgot said there is the need to fight individuals but I argue that there is the need to fight their conciusness, a need to regulate that behavior.

 

[Tony The Tiger]

Well... first at all I am sorry if what I wrote is too complicated, sometimes the dialectics posses my brain in a very obssesive way.

What i wrote is pure dialectics, the first premise is that material conditions of existence define ideas, there is a dialectic relationship between action and ideas, I tend to observe this as a flow chart in which there is complex flow of information between actions and ideas.

What I basically said is that racism behavior is a material expression that happens among individuals that share a common conciousness, this conciousness is not material, is abstract and standarized and therefore lives as a theoretical category. I say that having racism in the material and abstract level is necessary to fight it in both fronts. As my dear friend zgot said there is the need to fight individuals but I argue that there is the need to fight their conciusness, a need to regulate that behavior.

All makes sense niow...
nothings going to get changed

 

[Bouville]

Good I just read again what I wrote... I am such a nerd.

 

[SexyDevilGirl]

:anorak: nerd

 

[Bouville]

:anorak: nerd

And you like it my beloved Ray of Light... :evil:

 

[SexyDevilGirl]

And you like it my beloved Ray of Light... :evil:

maybe :anorak:

 

[Bouville]

maybe :anorak:

Wait until I give you a lecture of my research... :wink:

 

[SexyDevilGirl]

Wait until I give you a lecture of my research... :wink:

So that's what you kids are calling it these days :bananabang:

 

[Bouville]

So that's what you kids are calling it these days :bananabang:

That comes after I give you the lecture

 

[zgodt]

As my dear friend zgot said there is the need to fight individuals but I argue that there is the need to fight their conciusness, a need to regulate that behavior.

Part of my argument was that there is no way to regulate consciousness. Except maybe with a bullet, or a cage full of rats.

Good grief, I'm tired. I should be splitting any minute now.

 

[Bouville]

Part of my argument was that there is no way to regulate consciousness. Except maybe with a bullet, or a cage full of rats.

Good grief, I'm tired. I should be splitting any minute now.

I prefer the cage full of rats!

Consciousness can be regulated through social practice, that is my hope.

Have a good one Scott, may the Messiah be with you, do not forget I remember you yelling our war scream.

LOL

 

[zgodt]

I prefer the cage full of rats!

Consciousness can be regulated through social practice, that is my hope.

Have a good one Scott, may the Messiah be with you, do not forget I remember you yelling our war scream.

LOL

I don't think consciousness should be "regulated." The interior of a human mind is one place where law doesn't belong.

I'd prefer to think that consciousness can be... I don't know what word I'm looking for... perhaps "massaged" by social practice and -- best of all -- a diversified education.

I reserve my war screams for the heat of battle.

 

[Bouville]

I don't think consciousness should be "regulated." The interior of a human mind is one place where law doesn't belong.

I'd prefer to think that consciousness can be... I don't know what word I'm looking for... perhaps "massaged" by social practice and -- best of all -- a diversified education.

I reserve my war screams for the heat of battle.

Ironically the regulation of consciousness is not conscious, is a slow process in which the social system through the superstructure exerts its will into individuals. I have a different approach in the sense that i firmly believe that social experience shape human minds, therefore social practice can alter, modify and enlight certain patterns of behaviour.

And everyday there is a battle to fight my friend, therefore you should be always ready to yell our war scream, infidels are everywhere!

 

[zgodt]

Ironically the regulation of consciousness is not conscious, is a slow process in which the social system through the superstructure exerts its will into individuals. I have a different approach in the sense that i firmly believe that social experience shape human minds, therefore social practice can alter, modify and enlight certain patterns of behaviour.

I believe that too. I just don't believe that it works by antagonistic force exerted from above -- either by punitive measures against offenders, or by official denial of information or ideas to the public. Or in those cases where it does work by antagonistic force exerted from above, I think the cure is worse than the disease.

Good night my friend.

 

[Bouville]

I believe that too. I just don't believe that it works by antagonistic force exerted from above -- either by punitive measures against offenders, or by official denial of information or ideas to the public. Or in those cases where it does work by antagonistic force exerted from above, I think the cure is worse than the disease.

Good night my friend.

It is always by antagonist forces, it has been called "class struggle". That is the theoretical approach I have always used.

Good night my friend!